Grimrock

HypnoToad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:59 am If you watch the authors videos, he is very very good at fighting, he can move his players around with ease during a fight, reminds me of this kid we knew years ago, he would complain that video games were not hard enough. We thought yeah right until one day at our house my son was playing Speedball on the old Amiga. This kid had a go and was actually playing with the game itself, that is he was toying with it, we hadn't seen anything like it, so what's hard to someone (like me) maybe easy to someone else.

wagtunes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:25 am Well, the point is, as a designer it's probably a good idea to make your game for the masses and not for the top 1%, Otherwise, people are going to get frustrated and give up.

Isaac wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:45 am

wagtunes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:25 am Well, the point is, as a designer it's probably a good idea to make your game for the masses and not for the top 1%, Otherwise, people are going to get frustrated and give up.

Eh... that depends on the game; and whether or not it's made for the top 1%—(or top 30%). The old adage goes that you cannot please everyone, and it's partly because that in pleasing one group, you can annoy another; like with mutually exclusive gameplay, and difficulty levels.

LoG1 got a lot of flak for a certain Iron Door challenge, because a large percentage of players had quite a difficult time with it. There isn't a great solution to this ~problem?~. If you make the challenge easier, then it might become trivial for the other players; any reduction at all, actually makes it less of a challenge to them.

The Iron Door I mentioned (IRRC) is not a requirement to proceed. This is the best way to have it IMO; to have optional (more difficult) challenges for those that want them. But this doesn't help with the segment of players that expects to have access to everything in the game, yet cannot manage to pass the challenges that deliberately withhold those areas of the game.

akroma222 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:50 am Oh dear.... Im still here!
Honestly I have not checked this thread since I last responded to you, wagtunes...
Im so sorry to have left you with never ending spawning crabs and crashing errors

Im going to sit down reread your messages again in the next week or two. In fact the whole thread actually
Ive decided, given people are suffering bugs while playing LoL... and are still playing the mod into this year....
I will indeed be making an update - considering carefully the points you and others have raised

Again, sincere apologies for my absence.
And thankyou to those folks who have chimed in and assisted / troubleshot for current
players like wagtunes, muchly appreciated
If people are asking questions and I am clearly absent....
Honestly - by all means send me an abusive / impatient PM to remind me to:
" Check my own damn mod's flaming thread already!! "
and possibly another reminder to:
" Be nicer, and less sadistic, to the players!! "

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:00 am Akroma, don't give it a second thought. You can't possibly be expected to constantly hang out at a forum for a game that's what, 5 years old now?

Anyway, absolutely love this mod. Yeah, it's way harder than what I'm capable of handling, especially with the speed puzzles. At my age, the hands just don't move that well anymore. But the work you put into this is off the charts amazing. I actually started playing it again with a party that's like level 52. Don't ask how I got that high. Blame the guy who made Bloodwych. That opening pretty much allows you to max out your party if you have the patience. But for mods like yours, it's irrelevant. Max parties don't help with puzzles. Only combat which isn't really that difficult anyway as I've gotten through these mods with brand new parties. Yours is just a little bit special. lol.

Thanks again for all the work you put into this.

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akroma222 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:48 am

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:00 am Akroma, don't give it a second thought. You can't possibly be expected to constantly hang out at a forum for a game that's what, 5 years old now?

Anyway, absolutely love this mod. Yeah, it's way harder than what I'm capable of handling, especially with the speed puzzles. At my age, the hands just don't move that well anymore. But the work you put into this is off the charts amazing. I actually started playing it again with a party that's like level 52. Don't ask how I got that high. Blame the guy who made Bloodwych. That opening pretty much allows you to max out your party if you have the patience. But for mods like yours, it's irrelevant. Max parties don't help with puzzles. Only combat which isn't really that difficult anyway as I've gotten through these mods with brand new parties. Yours is just a little bit special. lol.

Thanks again for all the work you put into this.

Well the silly thing is, Im like part of the furniture in the grimrock2 forums...
so Ive only been in the room next door so to speak, weirdly I never seem to get notifications from this thread
(I got a notification that you had replied.... Im not sure why that is)

Ahhhh for sure, the speed puzzles are ridiculously tight on timing - and honestly hadnt thought of catering to
issues such as colour blindness, puzzle hints that are contextually / culturally derived and as you
have mentioned - slight declines player (not champion) dexterity due to years of expert dungeoning.
These are rookie errors. I hadnt considered colour blindness until minmay mentioned his puzzles do not
discriminate against players with said condition.

** If you do another playthrough, wait till Ive at least fixed the issues that you and others have found
Some can be fixed with console commands, but by no means could I expect people to go into the dungeon file in
editor and sift through endless scripts connectors etc to find what needs doing. I might take the file down
for mainteneance for a month and clean it all up

Putting the work in was a pleasure. And I actually havent really stopped (apart from my PC recently being
stolen in a break n enter). I dare say Ill be modding Grimrock for a fair while
My log2 mod is/was titled Legacy of Lies and I have recently posted screen shots of some new Gui menu
features .... viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12983&p=118111&hil ... cy#p118111

I will also be posting a teaser video of a custom RunePanel Ive nearly completed..... (here's a pic) .....

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akroma222 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:48 am I will also be posting a teaser video of a custom RunePanel Ive nearly completed..... (here's a pic) .....

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wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:38 pm Well, if you do decide to work on this and fix the "bugs", so to speak, don't forget that one level (forget which one) with the two doors which require keys. If you open the one door first (can't remember which one) there is no way to gain access to the key for the other door. I think you have to open the left door first and then the right.

The good thing is that somewhere in this thread I've detailed exactly what the problem is.

But I will take your suggestion. I will put this one aside until you're able to get to it.

Zo Kath Ra wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:13 pm Since you have a custom rune panel, are you going to let the player "draw" a spell gesture multiple times?

Example: Fireball
- draw once = 1236
- draw twice = 1236321
- draw thrice = 1236321236