Grimrock

wagtunes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:34 am

HypnoToad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:14 am Started playing this mod, down to level 4, its very very well done, and great to be able to check on the walk through when you get stuck. Fairly linear, I hate having to go ahead a number of levels to get something to continue on the level you are on. And not too many monsters, I was playing another mod and it was like with every puzzle you had to kill 50 monsters before during and after.

Trust me, it gets MUCH harder. lol

akroma222 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:49 pm True story. Prepare for perpetual BRUTALITY
Thankyou for your feedback hypnoToad,
It does stay Linear up until later in the game - where you are allowed to choose how much extra exploration you want to / think you need to do. Accessing and completing late game areas & secret levels will definitely be worth your while, rewards and challenge-wise... But if you really just want to get the mod done and care not so much about being a completionist - then you can make a run at the end game Boss Level when youre approx 75 - 80% of the way through - BUT - it will be significantly harder to survive that final level

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:14 am Well, I have finally reached the end of the line for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYKaIpH5pI
There is no way I can do this. If you're having this much trouble I'm not even attempting it.
Anyway, it's been fun. But it has reached the point where the skill level is beyond my ability. I assume if I can't get past this part I won't be able to complete the dungeon so it's kind of pointless to go on.
Thanks for the countless hours of fun I've had playing this.
Time to go back to Bloodwych and ORR 2. At least those I know I can get through.

I could send you some lines of code, that you cut and paste into the console
which would spawn a teleporter... allowing the party to skip that area
(teleporting you to the space just after the portcullis you need to get through).
Completely up to you though - and I would never endorse using the console 
to cheat your way through - only on very special occassions

HypnoToad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:31 am Half way through level 6 now, I love all the different spells, being a spell freak I could never get enough, this mod might satisfy me. And being a self confessed completionist I hate missing parts, pity I don't get enough time as I would like to spend on it.

akroma222 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:46 pm

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:14 am Well, I have finally reached the end of the line for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYKaIpH5pI
There is no way I can do this. If you're having this much trouble I'm not even attempting it.
Anyway, it's been fun. But it has reached the point where the skill level is beyond my ability. I assume if I can't get past this part I won't be able to complete the dungeon so it's kind of pointless to go on.
Thanks for the countless hours of fun I've had playing this.
Time to go back to Bloodwych and ORR 2. At least those I know I can get through.

Ahhh... yes, that timed puzzle is a little ... extensive
Probably also one of the areas / puzzles I would remove or alter to be less horrible
I wouldn't say it is pointless to continue - and I wont debate or pressure you to keep playing, however -
there is one way around:

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I could send you some lines of code, that you cut and paste into the console
which would spawn a teleporter... allowing the party to skip that area
(teleporting you to the space just after the portcullis you need to get through).
Completely up to you though - and I would never endorse using the console 
to cheat your way through - only on very special occassions

But if you do leave the Labyrinth of Lies behind - Id like to say a big thank you for all
your detailed feedback, suggestions, compliments & complaints. That is ever so valuable info
that will help me shape my LoG2 mod into a more enjoyable and engaging experience...

For example - clearly the super confusing & tedious puzzles should not halt a players linear
progression through the game - but be used in 'side quest' areas not essential for progression.

Also - I need be careful that puzzles requiring precise manual keyboard / mouse inputs are not too difficult,
as we can alter the level of difficulty for this style / type of challenge (whereas a boss enemy we can just
drop the difficulty to easy to try and punch through into the next area)

Well again wagtunes, thankyou and all the best!
Akroma

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:06 pm Thanks for the response. If you recall, in the original game, there was that one trap door puzzle in the big room that was quite crazy. I was about to give up there as well. But then what I did was just watch how the pits opened and closed and took out a sheet of paper and marked the keyboard controls needed to navigate through (A,W,S,D, etc) and then, without even looking at what I was doing, just hit the keys and got my way around. That wasn't so bad because I could pass up pushing the one button that opened the secret area. All I needed to do was get to the area with the key.

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:06 pm I've been playing these games since the original EoB series, which I think came out either in the late 80s or early 90s on 3.5 inch floppies. So I'm no stranger to dungeon crawlers. But this dungeon has proven to be quite the challenge.

findEntity("pressure_plate_hidden_224"):addConnector("activate", "prison_secret_button_small_56", "push")

akroma222 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:24 am

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:06 pm Thanks for the response. If you recall, in the original game, there was that one trap door puzzle in the big room that was quite crazy. I was about to give up there as well. But then what I did was just watch how the pits opened and closed and took out a sheet of paper and marked the keyboard controls needed to navigate through (A,W,S,D, etc) and then, without even looking at what I was doing, just hit the keys and got my way around. That wasn't so bad because I could pass up pushing the one button that opened the secret area. All I needed to do was get to the area with the key.

I do recall... and that is basically what I do when running (really fast) through that area. Wont take long before you have the # steps + direction memorized. Then its just a matter of calm, collected movement for a minute or so.

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:06 pm I've been playing these games since the original EoB series, which I think came out either in the late 80s or early 90s on 3.5 inch floppies. So I'm no stranger to dungeon crawlers. But this dungeon has proven to be quite the challenge.

Good it was meant to be an extension of the vanilla game - difficulty level notwithstanding. Still - def keen to hear which areas are unreasonable or just plain $&*#@#$

Cut paste this line into the console:

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findEntity("pressure_plate_hidden_224"):addConnector("activate", "prison_secret_button_small_56", "push")

It will open up the way through as soon as you step into that room (hidden pressure plate activates all the fireball timers, now it will also simply open up a direct passage to let you bypass the area. The way will remain open too - no need to worry about that

wagtunes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:50 am Uncle! LOL
Akroma, I'm now at the point where I'm walking in circles. I've watched videos 13 through 17 and have figured out that without being able to open that 2nd door, I can't go any further than I am. I am out of food and just going to the same places over and over and not making any progress.
So I am throwing in the towel.
You are truly evil, and I know it's only going to get worse after watching that bridge walk or whatever it is. Unreal. I won't even mention the lightning bolt puzzle down in the dungeons.
I'm going to go back to working on my new dungeon and see if I can't finish it. As hard as I thought it was, I now know that it doesn't even come close to this nightmare and I should stop worrying. LOL.
Thanks again for an amazing dungeon crawl.
I am finally defeated.

We can spawn some food using the console 
- OR -
the scroll of create food is close by I believe...