Grimrock

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:42 am**

Dandy wrote:
Alaric wrote:
There are many ways you can provide proof of purchase for Steam Support. If you bought a game on Steam, you can always give them the credit card info for the card with which you bought it. Or if you used PayPal, you can supply that. Really, whatever way you paid, they'll accept that. So write in to support - support.steampowered.com - and they'll take care of you.
It doesn't really matter any more. I have no desire to use Steam ever again, they are to much like big brother for my liking. As someone has already mentioned, at a whim they could suspend your account and effectively take away yours entire software collection.
Were possible I buy from the developers themselves or Gamersgate, that way I have my collection neatly backed up, and can install uninstall as I please. I own my software, not Valve.
I am also looking at Good old games, from reports, they seem to run a good service, but from what I can see not to many modern games are on offer.

lol, i'm sorry, but you're adorable. All of these companies? They all have the same policies as Valve. You don't own the games you buy, from anyone; you have a license to use the software, and it's a privilege that you can lose at anytime. 99% of software has this in legal writing.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:28 am**

omgitsbees wrote: lol, i'm sorry, but you're adorable. All of these companies? They all have the same policies as Valve. You don't own the games you buy, from anyone; you have a license to use the software, and it's a privilege that you can lose at anytime. 99% of software has this in legal writing.

Whatever.

I just don't like Steam, they don't smell right. Besides, is it not true that if you buy straight from the developer, that the majority of the money goes to them in person and not into Valves big fat company wallet?

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:32 am**

Dandy wrote:
omgitsbees wrote: lol, i'm sorry, but you're adorable. All of these companies? They all have the same policies as Valve. You don't own the games you buy, from anyone; you have a license to use the software, and it's a privilege that you can lose at anytime. 99% of software has this in legal writing.
Whatever.
I just don't like Steam, they don't smell right. Besides, is it not true that if you buy straight from the developer, that the majority of the money goes to them in person and not into Valves big fat corrupted wallet?

What about Valve is corrupt? I've heard nothing but fantastic things from publisher and developer alike, while using them. You haven't come up with anything, resembling reality, about Valve. Everything you've said so far, has been blatantly wrong.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:02 am**

omgitsbees wrote: What about Valve is corrupt? I've heard nothing but fantastic things from publisher and developer alike, while using them. You haven't come up with anything, resembling reality, about Valve. Everything you've said so far, has been blatantly wrong.

If you are able, then just answer the question please. Nit-picking and anal retention isn't getting us anywhere.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:22 am**

Dandy wrote:
omgitsbees wrote: What about Valve is corrupt? I've heard nothing but fantastic things from publisher and developer alike, while using them. You haven't come up with anything, resembling reality, about Valve. Everything you've said so far, has been blatantly wrong.
If you are able, then just answer the question please. Nit-picking and anal retention isn't getting us anywhere.

The majority of the money goes straight to the developer in either case. What's your point? You know what's not getting you anywhere? Saying really dumb, misinformed stuff. I'm not nit-picking anything, i'm trying to get you to explain why you're saying the things you are. I'm actually really curious here, you seem to know something that no one else does!

1.) You claimed their software is spyware, can you go into more detail on that?

2.) You said that with services like GamersGate, and GoG, you actually own, outright, all of the games you buy through them. Can you show me where in the ToS this exists? I've never seen it, i'm pretty sure it's the same as any individual game, and Steam ToS, where you pay for a license, that can be legally taken away at anytime.

3.) What about Steam isn't having all of your collection neatly backed up and in one spot? I have 120+ titles on my Steam account, and can very quickly download all of them. It's really nice having them all in one spot, instead of how you have it, where they are all spread out across multiple services. I can install/uninstall all of my Steam games as I please.

4.) With both GamersGate, and GoG, they can suspend your account on a whim, and take away all of the games you bought through them, how is that any different from Steam?

"I am also looking at Good old games, from reports, they seem to run a good service, but from what I can see not to many modern games are on offer."

I had to laugh at that one. Thinking isn't a trait that runs in your family, is it? I mean look at the name, and think real hard about this one for a minute. It tells you everything you need to know about what their core business model is...

I see kids like you, and I worry for our future generations. It's true, critical thinking is not being encouraged anymore!

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:49 am**

omgitsbees wrote: The majority of the money goes straight to the developer in either case. What's your point?

I would expect it to be a big point with the developers

1.) You claimed their software is spyware, can you go into more detail on that?

Ask yourself why so many virus checkers find it to contain malicious spyware until definitions catch up.

3.) What about Steam isn't having all of your collection neatly backed up and in one spot? I have 120+ titles on my Steam account, and can very quickly download all of them. It's really nice having them all in one spot, instead of how you have it, where they are all spread out across multiple services. I can install/uninstall all of my Steam games as I please.

So, you can play and patch your game without steam being installed?

4.) With both GamersGate, and GoG, they can suspend your account on a whim, and take away all of the games you bought through them, how is that any different from Steam?

From my cold dead harddrive

"I am also looking at Good old games, from reports, they seem to run a good service, but from what I can see not to many modern games are on offer."

I had to laugh at that one. Thinking isn't a trait that runs in your family, is it? I mean look at the name, and think real hard about this one for a minute. It tells you everything you need to know about what their core business model is...

Exactly my point.

I see kids like you, and I worry for our future generations. It's true, critical thinking is not being encouraged anymore!

What, people not acting like sheep, what ever next?

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:01 am**

"I would expect it to be a big point with the developers"

Which is exactly why so many developers, both indie, and huge a like, choose Steam over other services.

"Ask yourself why so many virus checkers find it to contain malicious spyware until definitions catch up."

Look up with a false positive is, in relation to anti-virus software. And between having used Kaspersky and NOD32 at various points, on multiple computers, neither have come back with anything for Steam. Millions of people use Steam, and have zero issues using it with their anti-virus software. What you are posting is anecdotal. It's worthless, it means nothing to anyone but you, and what you are experiencing is without a doubt, user error.

In fact Valve themselves have an answer for this very thing, and how to fix it; https://support.steampowered.com/kb_art ... -MVDP-3638 And I shouldn't have even had to look that up, considering the entire burden of proof lays entirely on you.

The rest of what you responded with is to stupid to bother. You're either continually changing your original points, when you realize you have nothing to come back with, or coming up with something completely incoherent. I really want the devs to go Steam exclusive, just to see you squirm your way into justifying downloading the software again to use it for this one game. I know you would do it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:14 am**

Guys, let's cool down a bit, ok

We'll have several distribution options available so I think everybody should be happy when LoG is released. More about those next week!

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:38 am**

petri wrote:Guys, let's cool down a bit, ok We'll have several distribution options available so I think everybody should be happy when LoG is released. More about those next week!

You have that right Petri, I am so looking forward to LOG, it feels like Christmas all over again.

On a closing note. As there are a growing number of people signing up with Steam for it's convenience, there is also a growing number of people turning their backs on it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:18 pm**

I like Steam and all, but some of what Dandy posted is correct. For instance, if I download something from gog.com and I have the installer there is absolutely nothing they can do to take it away. Whereas Steam if I get banned or if Steam goes out of business one day there goes my games and there's nothing I can do about it.

Personally I think the risk vs the benefits Steam provides (deals, auto-patching, ect) far outweigh my concerns so I use it, but these are valid concerns none-the-less.

Anyways the game has multiple distribution channels, so everyone get's to be happy

Grimrock

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