Grimrock

Hey Guys,

I've moved this over to General Discussion.

Daniel.

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I played DM first, and then the EOTB games - all on the Amiga 500 back in the day I think I probably played them all when EOTB1 was released, so technically retro-played DM. Fantastic games, and I preferred the EOTB series - it had a little more when it came to mechanics, bringing some excellent stuff from D&D. I personally feel that LoG resembles EOTB more than DM, but that might just be because I spent more time with the EOTB series. EOTB suffered a little from being relatively short, as that brought a steep difficulty curve in places - some of the enemies were incredibly hard to defeat, even when dancing around like a maniac EOTB2 was longer and better, sporting a huge map split over multiple sections, and a central "hub" that connected them. EOTB3 was... well, not made by Westwood, and a pale imitation of the former games, sadly.

My love for EOTB (1 and 2) is definitely my reason for buying LoG - and IMO, AH have done an awesome job of dragging those games into the modern day A nice balance of old-school nostalgia, without the drawbacks of re-visiting those titles. As good as they are, they do have limitations that grate a little after all this time. I'm 36 this year, to answer the other question in the OP heh

dazman76 wrote:I personally feel that LoG resembles EOTB more than DM, but that might just be because I spent more time with the EOTB series.

Hard to say, LoG has so many elements from both games, it's really awesome that the Dungeon Crawler genre is alive and kicking once again!

Daniel.

t0tem wrote:It's a lot like both of them.

I agree, there are times when I find myself reminded strongly of each - The character stats/levelling and some elements of design are very EOB, but the overall feel of the dungeon, the nature of the puzzles and the pace of it all is closer to DM - combat is somehow 50/50, even the magic system is what I always imagined the perfect blend of DM and EOB to be like.

dazman76 wrote:I played DM first, and then the EOTB games - all on the Amiga 500 back in the day I think I probably played them all when EOTB1 was released, so technically retro-played DM. Fantastic games, and I preferred the EOTB series - it had a little more when it came to mechanics, bringing some excellent stuff from D&D. I personally feel that LoG resembles EOTB more than DM, but that might just be because I spent more time with the EOTB series. EOTB suffered a little from being relatively short, as that brought a steep difficulty curve in places - some of the enemies were incredibly hard to defeat, even when dancing around like a maniac EOTB2 was longer and better, sporting a huge map split over multiple sections, and a central "hub" that connected them. EOTB3 was... well, not made by Westwood, and a pale imitation of the former games, sadly.

My love for EOTB (1 and 2) is definitely my reason for buying LoG - and IMO, AH have done an awesome job of dragging those games into the modern day A nice balance of old-school nostalgia, without the drawbacks of re-visiting those titles. As good as they are, they do have limitations that grate a little after all this time. I'm 36 this year, to answer the other question in the OP heh

I've got 4 years to go before I catch up with you. Played DM first, then CSB, both on the Atari ST. Moved on to all 3 EOB games on my Amiga; dabbled a little in turn based variants like M&M and the excellent Shining in the Darkness on the Megadrive but never really saw anything like EOB/DM until Grimrock - I hope this means there's a revival of "flickscreen" dungeon crawlers coming soon

Goffmog wrote:

dazman76 wrote:I played DM first, and then the EOTB games - all on the Amiga 500 back in the day I think I probably played them all when EOTB1 was released, so technically retro-played DM. Fantastic games, and I preferred the EOTB series - it had a little more when it came to mechanics, bringing some excellent stuff from D&D. I personally feel that LoG resembles EOTB more than DM, but that might just be because I spent more time with the EOTB series. EOTB suffered a little from being relatively short, as that brought a steep difficulty curve in places - some of the enemies were incredibly hard to defeat, even when dancing around like a maniac EOTB2 was longer and better, sporting a huge map split over multiple sections, and a central "hub" that connected them. EOTB3 was... well, not made by Westwood, and a pale imitation of the former games, sadly.

My love for EOTB (1 and 2) is definitely my reason for buying LoG - and IMO, AH have done an awesome job of dragging those games into the modern day A nice balance of old-school nostalgia, without the drawbacks of re-visiting those titles. As good as they are, they do have limitations that grate a little after all this time. I'm 36 this year, to answer the other question in the OP heh

I've got 4 years to go before I catch up with you. Played DM first, then CSB, both on the Atari ST. Moved on to all 3 EOB games on my Amiga; dabbled a little in turn based variants like M&M and the excellent Shining in the Darkness on the Megadrive but never really saw anything like EOB/DM until Grimrock - I hope this means there's a revival of "flickscreen" dungeon crawlers coming soon

Hmm, EOB3 may have been on the PC... DM II, however, was about the most disappointing game I ever played The shops/currency system, the maps and the annoying mechanical drones, plus a definite decline in the difficulty of puzzles were a drag for me.... The outside bits of the game were very atmospheric though. I think it suffered from having too many new ideas and not enough focus.

Jaknal wrote:What do you mean?

Eye of the Beholder was i honestly believe the first game that I ever have played. We had it for the Sega CD and I remember like sitting on the ground and attempting to play it. Lol funniest thing in the world is that my dad has a picture of me holding the controller in my hand and turning around and looking at him while playing this game.

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And damn at the amount of xp you get for them Fire Spirit Things. (I don't know the name of them)

Darn, I thought Id see a cute picture in that spoiler /me dissapoint...

dazman76 wrote:. Moved on to all 3 EOB games on my Amiga

Eye3 was never released for the amiga unfortunatly... it's the one reason I'm forced to play Eye1/2 on Dosbox instead of Amiga... (They are superiour on the amiga).. but if you want one party to take all the way from Eye 1 to Eye 3 you need the Dos version.. only Eye 1 and 2 were released on Amiga.

dazman76 wrote:I played DM first, and then the EOTB games - all on the Amiga 500 back in the day

Did someone mention an Amiga?
Best computer ever! And there is another game you might have forgotten about from those days. It was called Black Crypt. A bit like Dungeon Master, it had underwater levels and an automap function. Only a demo was ever released on the PC. The Amiga (and I think the Atari ST) got the full game

Here is a gameplay vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Tidgg4jsY