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Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:14 pm
by Nathaniel
Hi, guys!
Finally, I though something began to turn in the passage of the mausoleum. But in fact what the ambush - I went through quite a lot, opened the door with a bunch of buttons and levers. Frankly, to repeat it, I don't want to do it.
That was not easy...
But I'm stuck. In the room with cubes I took the clay tablets, pulled the lever, entered the portal. I took power gem and... I can't get out!!
My savegame in this cube:
https://dropmefiles.com/20qal
Please help me!
Of course, I can turn on the console and type there: party:getPosition(X1,X2,X3,X4,X5). But I do not want to do this...
Also, I absolutely unclear what to do in four rooms with cubes and pedestals. In each of them is on the chest. What need to put on the pedestals, and how to remove the protection in the form of cubes... I absolutely cannot understand this...
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:05 pm
by Duncan1246
minmay wrote:It is a bug in your mod, and it definitely exists. The solution is very simple: stop using upvalues. I see in your dungeon.lua that you are defining lots of upvalues in places where they will cause a crash if the game is saved.
So, I haven't be able to see them! Can you give me one example in my mod, so I understand what is wrong?
EDIT; as I write before, I don't understand why the issue don't occurs when I test the Nathaniel last save. I was thinking that using upvalues causes failure 100% of time if the situation is identical. But it is not true... I would appreciate an explanation, If you have the time to give it.
Duncan
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:10 pm
by Duncan1246
Nathaniel wrote:Hi, guys!
But I'm stuck. In the room with cubes I took the clay tablets, pulled the lever, entered the portal. I took power gem and... I can't get out!!
My savegame in this cube:
https://dropmefiles.com/20qal
I will give it a go this afternoon.
Nathaniel wrote:Also, I absolutely unclear what to do in four rooms with cubes and pedestals. In each of them is on the chest. What need to put on the pedestals, and how to remove the protection in the form of cubes... I absolutely cannot understand this...
You have to
enter the central room four times, by the four teleporters, and each time place a power gem on the pedestal. When the four are placed, the force fields vanishes!
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:40 pm
by Nathaniel
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:30 pm
by Duncan1246
Nathaniel wrote:
And I don't know what to do with a pedestals... The idea is that I have eight tablets, which I collected in the rooms. But how to arrange them? I tried different combinations, but nothing happens.
Well, it's not the most difficult part:
You have found the two spirit runes in the south side, the two air runes in the north side of the mausoleum, the four balance on the east and west sides. So place the two spirit runes on the south pedestals, the two air on the north, and the four balance... in the middle, of course!
PS. Finally, I am glad to see that you get ride of the north room puzzle without any more save issue!
EDIT: I was writing the answer... but you found it faster... Bravo!
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:05 pm
by Nathaniel
Duncan1246 wrote:I was writing the answer... but you found it faster... Bravo!
Thank you very much!
Although I am the fool.
It was necessary initially to remember where and what signs I have found... Therefore it was necessary to act at random.
Yes, I prefer to suffer more than one hour to find a solution than to read the solutions and get a straight answer!..
Now here's another problem... I met with a Dead Priest, killed him (as well as all the rats here), I withdrew his boneblade - it is also one of my favorite! - and this is the third day I can't understand how I get to the power gem at the top marked by a red cross.
Riddle with the levers there as if I would have thought. The platform lift is also already working. It is not clear only in the place where I set up the question marks and how to pick up this power gem.
Maybe at first still need to solve the riddle in the house in the east?
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:45 pm
by Duncan1246
Nathaniel wrote:
Now here's another problem... I met with a Dead Priest, killed him (as well as all the rats here), I withdrew his boneblade - it is also one of my favorite! - and this is the third day I can't understand how I get to the power gem at the top marked by a red cross.
Riddle with the levers there as if I would have thought. The platform lift is also already working. It is not clear only in the place where I set up the question marks and how to pick up this power gem.
Maybe at first still need to solve the riddle in the house in the east?
Don't worry about this power gem, the access is "special", you can't find it right here. For the house in the east, I suggest you start an inquiry: speak to the ratlings, they have answers, the death priest had too but if I understand, it's already dead! Even if you have killed the major part of them, one or two ratlings should be still alive, as the summonstone man in the north east. All these informations can help you to understand what is going on here, because
this place is one of the most important for the final success.
But even without all these informations, you can find your way...
PS. When you meet somebody in the game, even if it is not very nice, don't kill him first, be friendly and see what happens...
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:01 pm
by Nathaniel
Duncan1246 wrote:PS. When you meet somebody in the game, even if it is not very nice, don't kill him first, be friendly and see what happens...
Don't worry!
I have a pre-poll each character of them several times. Some even gave the pieces of ore for the information and some interesting things learned.
Well, once the power gem will not work to get then I go back to the puzzle elsewhere. For really want to get a useful little thing!
I began to kill them immediately, by the way. And once saw in a shop crystal shoes, and pay for them, there was nothing!
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:46 pm
by Duncan1246
Nathaniel wrote:
I began to kill them immediately, by the way. And once saw in a shop crystal shoes, and pay for them, there was nothing!
You bet, you loose, that's it!
But I guess you have visited the little museum, and find the key and the map of Verabundus, so you have more than a little thing!
Re: FINISTERRAE version 1
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:48 pm
by minmay
Duncan1246 wrote:minmay wrote:It is a bug in your mod, and it definitely exists. The solution is very simple: stop using upvalues. I see in your dungeon.lua that you are defining lots of upvalues in places where they will cause a crash if the game is saved.
So, I haven't be able to see them! Can you give me one example in my mod, so I understand what is wrong?
...You do not know what upvalues are, yet you are using them all over? Well, I guess this should be required reading:
http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.6
Here is an example of you using an upvalue:
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function uplevel()
local match=0
fw.script:set('party.Finisterrae.onTurn',function(hook,party,dir)
if (party.go.x == 27 and party.go.y == 23 and party.go.level == pathreal_block_1.level) or
(party.go.x == 28 and party.go.y == 23 and party.go.level == path_block_1.level) then
nume=nume+1
if nume==5 then nume=0 end
if dir==1 then
match=match+1
else match=0
end
if match==4 then
playSound("teleport")
party.go:setPosition(22,23,0,3,path_block_1.level)
fw.script:remove('party.Finisterrae.onTurn')
nume=0
end
end
end)
end
Here, the
match variable is an upvalue.
Duncan1246 wrote:EDIT; as I write before, I don't understand why the issue don't occurs when I test the Nathaniel last save. I was thinking that using upvalues causes failure 100% of time if the situation is identical. But it is not true... I would appreciate an explanation, If you have the time to give it.
Duncan
As I have told you already, it IS true. If there's a function using upvalues anywhere that will be serialized, it will cause a crash. You are just saving at the wrong times. In the example above, the function using the
match upvalue only exists while the onTurn hook is present, so it will only crash if you save after adding the onTurn hook and before removing the onTurn hook.
