regomar wrote:Exactly. Completely agree with the OP. The amount of whining in these forums demanding changes made is out of control.
I'm sick and tired of seeing people whine about puzzles being too hard or not being able to move fast enough because they're old or something equally inane (I'm almost 40 and I play this game fine thank you very much)
I'm sick and tired of you turning every request or suggestion into something you need to defend against, and you attacking people.
I'm sick and tired of you stalking me on these forums and blathering your inane drivel at me. Get over it and move on.
OMG people like the game the way it is, the HORROR!
Stalking you? Hardly. Every thread I look at you're in there defending the game at all costs, and telling people what their opinion is.
As it happens I like the game, do you think I'd be here otherwise? I am making suggestions on how to improve it. You are putting on an internet suit of armour to defend developers who do not need defended. You've taken it upon yourself to be the white knight of LoG and anything that is slightly negative is a direct attack on you, and a chance for you to show everybody how much of a hardcore fan you are, and how much better you are.
choasrepeated wrote:I also disagree with OP.
The whole point of indie developers and why they are good is they listen.
Now listen doesn't mean they'll do every thing. It does mean that they are connected with their audience in a way that AAA games are not.
Personally I think the game is awesome as it is. The challenges around magic and strength versus dex actually add to my immersion.
But I fail to see how games providing via the forums ways they would like to see the game improve is is abusing the developers.
I would like to believe that they would be flattered that the gaming community has become so emotionally connected with their game that they are trying to suggest ways to improve it.
And Im sure the developers who made bold choices like not including vendors, healing classes or pet classes due the overall negative impact on the game wont be cowled into including poor suggestions just because they are made on the internet.
Exactly. I don't think the developers are 14 year old girls who can't take a bit of constructive criticism. The game is selling beyond their expectations and hopes, it's a fantastic game, it's a got a whole future ahead of it with expansions and user made content.
Anyone suggesting improvements is doing so for no reason other than they care about a better game experience. That doesn't mean all suggestions are good, but it does mean people should drop the attitude, and criticise the ideas, not the person or reason behind them.
regomar wrote:OMG people like the game the way it is, the HORROR!
Of course people like the game. That doesn't mean that there is nothing that could be improved, or added to the game to make it an even better experience. There are some good suggestions out there already (imo). People seem to be concerned that Almost Human may be changing (core) aspects of the game if (some) people don't like them, but you have to remember that the game was designed with a certain vision in mind and I'm pretty sure they won't change the "spirit" of the game. So what's the harm to listen to and consider the feedback they get from their community/fanbase?
Halk wrote:Anyone suggesting improvements is doing so for no reason other than they care about a better game experience. That doesn't mean all suggestions are good, but it does mean people should drop the attitude, and criticise the ideas, not the person or reason behind them.
Very much agree with this!
"Oh what secrets we could tell if you'd listen and be still
Rid the stink and the noise from our skirts
But you haven't got the clue and perhaps you never will
Mute we stand on the cold plains of Wiltshire "
I don't think most people are "demanding" anything. They like the game and post some suggestions on the forum. I doubt anyone reasonable thinks that a request on the forum = guarantee to be implemented.
Hey Halk, I know what you mean about regomar, I made some comments about the pit traps and how the timing on those traps are completely to fast. And I made a few other comments too about the density of the puzzles per level. And he immediately came in there and gave me his opinion about it. It’s pretty pathetic when someone can’t come into a forum and post their comments about their frustrations and how they are feeling about something without someone or a bunch of lame idiots all ganging up on that person because they don’t think their right and Either myself or someone sells is going complete against their opinions about how the game is.
Also, god forbid someone have an issue with the game and express it here, the first words out of most peoples mouth is, this game isn’t for you, you should quit or find something else to do. Really? That’s how pathetic it’s gotten in forums these days. I see this going on everywhere too. Not just here. there is always some moron that can’t allow a person to express themselves without feeling the wrath. Like they are any better to tell us what we should be doing right?
We all love the game, but most of us feel that there are a few things that separate it from being complete.
And these few things are frustrating. It feels like that up until a certain point we were loving the game when suddenly we a barred from continuing by something mundane like a vague puzzle or difficult encounter.
The immersion is now broken, but we press on to get some sense of closer all while getting more and more frustrated.
And you quickly see that this thread doesn't actually have anything to do with community or the game but rather two people's desire to muzzle others from making suggestions. Again, the devs are not children, they don't need you speaking up for them. From what I've seen, the tone in 95% of the threads on this forum has been extremely polite, glowing, supportive, appreciative, and the VAST majority of the comments and suggestions have been politely stated.
Nailing every single person who makes a suggestion as a "whiner" and telling them to shut up or go away is doing 10x more to ruin the tone of the discussion. Every single thread OP and a couple others pop up in turn into a flamefest instead of a few quick suggestions which quickly fall off the front page.
Again, if you love the game so much (as I do) why don't you go play it instead of trying to insult/control everyone else who is coming here to post suggestions?
The fact of the matter is Grimlock has brought back a genre people want. People are sick on console games. They want more traditional RPG's. That in point, if AH don't get in further, quickly, the market will be taken over by those that think they can improve on Legends of Grimrock.
Personally I think Dungeon Master was a better game for its sophistication/abilities, but LoG has obviously graphics on its side and it's new. AH better get a move on with making Legends of Grimlock 2 that should include the editor for 1 + 2.
To think the devs are not gonna take any suggestions for improvements is just crazy talk.
I don't know about the rest of them but Petri has 10 yrs or more invested in this. Does he think he made the perfect crawler I would be willing to bet no, but it's a start to something many of us have not seen in years.
This game has been out for only 5 days, DM, EOtB have been out for 20. This game will progress, I don't think he won't want suggestions for improvements. Take the way the cursor buttons were not originally implemented, then a handicap person suggested it, and I'm so glad they did because that's what I use, even with the diabolical puzzles.
There is a patch that's already coming this week or so.
