The Truth about the FARMER class ?

[Rodpulsar]

I played the VERY GOOD Etrian Odysseys games on Nintendo DS (If you dont know these games, love LOG, and have a DS / 3DS : go get it !)

But they aren't even similar. Just because dungeons are navigated from the same point of view doesn't mean they're the same kind of game. They arne't even the same genre.

Etrian Odyssey is the same kind of game as Wizardry, Might & Magic, etc.

Whereas Legend of Grimrock is the same kind of game as Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder, etc.

I like both, but they're completely different. Not even close to the same.

Effectively and... I never said so

One is turn based, the other one is realtime based. I just wrote Etrian is a similar very good game, effectively in term of point of view, and if I mentioned it it was for the Farmer class. Nothing more. Now I don't agree when you say both are not even close to the same. They are very close imho (it's the important word here) since I like both genres. But well thats not the debate

Following all advices, I kept playing my farmer, and boosted him a bit, farming for some food

[Luj1]

How does that happen? You essentially start two levels behind, and while early on you can forge ahead, is a farmer really several levels ahead mid to late game? That seems unlikely to me.

It is true bro....

my Human Farmer is already 6 1/2 levels ahead of the party (have only 2 essences)... last night he backstabbed an Ice elemental for 246 damage while using a regular longsword (!), doesn't even have Light weapons maxed

fishing is really simple, I discovered it by accident (mislick underwater while fighting aquatic humanoids)... You can travel to earlier areas by using the Hub, fight respawning monsters for xp and food and hunt fish that also respawns




If you want to grind Grimrock, its certainly possible and the Farmer is the best class for that . With human you can easily get 2x10% increased exp, plus wear a

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certain necklace

. Farmer can be a specialist but is probably best as a hybrid class

[Luj1]

@Vardis

My Farmer can fight normally, or he can backstab with a variety of weapons, has reach, wears heavy armor, has respectable crit chance (20-ish), can cast 'shield' boosting his protection by +25

and I'm only level 13

... plus sometimes crit can proc on backstab, or you can use weapon's special move while backstabbing (!)

Trust me Farmer is powerful because he has so many skill points

PS today I backstabbed for around 240 damage (again) and I was 'starving' (only half damage)

[Vardis]

If you only have two essences, you're pretty early on still. Backstabbing is also triple damage, it's not that surprising to get that much damage output with it. What I'd like to know is what level the farmer is when the rest of the party is at level 10 or 11.

If you're doing human farmer with 20% bonus plus the other thing, but everyone else is non-human, you're overstating the benefits of being a farmer considerably - you're getting 45% increased XP from non-farmer factors. If that's the case, your level 11 farmer would only be level 8 or 9 otherwise, and the gap will probably narrow as the game progresses.

I haven't seen any respawning fish yet. I wonder if I shouldn't have overfished?

[Luj1]

What I'd like to know is what level the farmer is when the rest of the party is at level 10 or 11.

+4-5

[Luj1]

If you're doing human farmer with 20% bonus plus the other thing, but everyone else is non-human, you're overstating the benefits of being a farmer considerably - you're getting 45% increased XP from non-farmer factors. If that's the case, your level 11 farmer would only be level 8 or 9 otherwise, and the gap will probably narrow as the game progresses.

Not sure what you're on about here ...

[Vardis]

I'm trying to get an apples to apples comparison - it sounded like you were giving +XP bonuses to just your farmer, which is going to skew the comparison.

[Luj1]

What else would you do with surplus of food??

Im force-feeding him all our extra rations while keeping the others just above 'starving' status...

If you go fishing regularly and revisit areas, the level difference will be even more drastic

[Vardis]

What else would you do with surplus of food??

Im force-feeding him all our extra rations while keeping the others just above 'starving' status...

If you go fishing regularly and revisit areas, the level difference will be even more drastic

I'm not talking about giving your farmer food, I'm talking about the +20% human bonus and the +25% item you mentioned, and am wondering if that's why your farmer was so far ahead.

[Luj1]

In fact I don't have that item yet. But I think I'm starting to see where you're going with this ..

The point is , Farmer's type of progression (eating food) is way faster than the normal way of acquiring experience (by defeating monsters)

For example you can make a Human fighter , or whatever

trait him the same way, and use the necklace in question (+45% xp gain)

The Farmer is still going to level by a much faster pace than other classes, and be way more grind-friendly. You get way more food than you'd need, plus the abnormal amounts of fish around the island