Overall gameplay speed (elderly gamer)

[IndigoAK]

I created an account just to post in this topic - even though it's not an issue that affects me, it has been bothering me since I first reached level 2.

Almost Human rightly received great kudos from the gaming media the world over for implementing the mouse-operated arrow buttons at behest of that disabled gamers' request. I've been feeling sad for him because the game is clearly impossible for him regardless (a small part of me thinks AH are negligent in this regard). I feel worse if this community has actually taken the attitude of 'bug off old guy' on threads like this previously, considering the majority of this community is most likely in their 30s.

I sincerely hope AH read this thread and do indeed add in game options for game speed (or have it tied to the difficulty mode) as a priority for patch #2. You placated the wishes of a disabled gamer and reaped the praise knowing full well he stood no chance anyhow!

Oh, they have taken this attitude.

The community for this game is terrible, let's just get that out of the way right now. The majority of them definitely have the opinion of, "The game is absolutely perfect, it's obviously you who are broken."

This is a really fun game with a neat concept, but it's not accessible. The compound of this is that overall, this community doesn't know the difference between difficulty and accessibility.

[Kthanid]

Oh, they have taken this attitude.

"they"?

The community for this game is terrible, let's just get that out of the way right now.

So good of you to take the high road, and thanks for throwing everyone under the bus collectively. The fact of the matter is that the few dozen people active on this forum make a tiny subset of the "community" playing and discussing this game. Feel free to climb down off your high horse at any time and join the majority of users (both here on the forum and elsewhere in the "community") who have opted to not get involved in these petty flame wars.

This "community" as you put it is, as far as I can tell (on both sides of the aisle of your specific gripes) largely happy for the success of the developers and, in many cases, capable of realistically assessing the fact that this game was developed by a small indie team on what is likely a very light budget in an aggressive time frame, the net result of which probably entitles them to some small amount of credit.

So, as one single member of this so-called "community", let me just kindly suggest that you take a step back and consider the fact that the population of people you are lumping into your gripe session here largely haven't said one word on the subject because the constant and pointless bickering back and forth since the instant of the release has been tiresome and disappointing, to say the least. The lack of gratitude for what has been accomplished alongside a tiresome sense of entitlement and defensiveness (on both sides of these bickering sessions) is truly depressing.

Furthermore, the developers have read (and will likely continue to read) this feedback and will do with it whatever they feel is most prudent for their game and the future of their business. As stated countless times already, they aren't "picking sides" and they aren't out to get anybody. They are very likely doing the best they can within the constraints they are forced to operate, it would be most polite of us, as a "community" to pass along feedback in an orderly and organized manner as far removed from emotion and petty squabbling as we can manage to produce (I realize this is asking a lot).

TL;DR - Everyone please take a deep breath and grow the hell up.

[Scase]

Might I just add this sense of entitlement to be a bit much. Some (not all) are going off on a tangent about how this SHOULD be implemented as if it is AH's responsibility to make the game more "accessible". Now I'm not against them adding a slower setting to help those who cannot do it based on original speed settings, HOWEVER this is not an issue of physical access to a building, a government automated line with options for TTY for the deaf/hard of hearing. This is a game, it is not REQUIRED to have accessibility settings. There is no more reasons that AH should add this option than Infinity Ward should make Call Of Duty easier for people with disabilities.

If AH decides this is a reasonable fix then awesome I hope they do it for you guys, but people like hotcakes making comments like this.....

I created an account just to post in this topic - even though it's not an issue that affects me, it has been bothering me since I first reached level 2.

Almost Human rightly received great kudos from the gaming media the world over for implementing the mouse-operated arrow buttons at behest of that disabled gamers' request. I've been feeling sad for him because the game is clearly impossible for him regardless (a small part of me thinks AH are negligent in this regard). I feel worse if this community has actually taken the attitude of 'bug off old guy' on threads like this previously, considering the majority of this community is most likely in their 30s.

I sincerely hope AH read this thread and do indeed add in game options for game speed (or have it tied to the difficulty mode) as a priority for patch #2. You placated the wishes of a disabled gamer and reaped the praise knowing full well he stood no chance anyhow!

are unnecessary. AH did not HAVE to add the ability to navigate via mouse they CHOSE to, yet you're accusing them of doing so with some BS alterior motive? Yes, they spent time altering code to put in the nav buttons full well knowing that the guy who asked for them still can't play just to reap the benefits of some good publicity .....get real. Not to mention accusing them of negligence for not making the game entirely accessible to him? Are you serious?

AH has ZERO responsibility to placate anyone, the fact that they did it out of kindness is enough don't start getting all entitled as if they owe anyone anything.

[Dandy]

Log needs a extra systems requirement.

Must have lightening fast reactions.

[bluesshoe]

Log needs a extra systems requirement.
Must have lightening fast reactions.

So very true! I'm still in level 5 and the "chamber of pits & secret" is still driving me nuts...
It's the same with the "Deserted Tunnel Entrance"
I'm just not quick enough anymore...

(

[Pipsissiwa]

Hey there are two paths to slow the game down and doing that changes everything. We can take the horse to the water but we can't make them drink it.

If you have an issue with the speed of the game and you don't do one of the mentioned fixes... all you are doing is putting something you can do on someone else. Takes a few minutes to set up once and seconds thereafter.

AH can totally feel free to add more features for you. But now I'm starting to feel like games have to meet some type of Handicap quota. The game is what it is, there are things for you to do to slow it down today, as in right now. DO IT! (We aren't console players, we are pc players, this is what we do. lol)

Read this as being direct to the point, but not trying to be harsh in tone. Still scratching at 50 being elderly... by anyone.

1. But it could be argued that the Easy/Normal/Hard setting for combat speed is a 'Handicap' setting in game already - it makes combat easier for those who don't like it/can't do it. That is its purpose.

2. This suggestion really isn't any different (except its not in game atm and some people sadly seem to be unfairly flaming anyone suggesting the devs change anything) and I (and obviously plenty more) think its a damn good idea. We don't know if the devs thought about this and if they did why they left it out.

3. Plus for me, just my own personal feelings/choice I will stress, using the debug console or scripts feels like cheating (I never use it in any game unless it has utterly bugged out and I have no other choice) - if this time option was an official feature in game I wouldn't feel bad doing it.

4. I don't personally mind if the devs delay a map editor/DLC/expansion/sequel by a few weeks/months because I haven't finished the first/main game yet (and don't look likely to any time soon either at this rate). I'm also hoping to replay with a different party setup now I know what seems to be useful (or not) for my style. I certainly appreciate that others can't wait for more content - I hope to be in that situation eventually too. This is purely my personal mileage.

I numbered your comments.

1. Well even with those settings some still want it modified more. And some have said that easier settings make monsters easier but not timing of traps. Speed modification affects both positively for someone struggling.

2. The only difference is a player right now can do it and not wait on devs to possibly do this. Where I come from, I'd just do it. Face it our great-grandfathers would roll in their graves over us thinking doing these simple steps is anything resembling hard work.

3. That is a mind game you are playing on yourself then. It's a single player game. Assume it's an Elder Scrolls mod. You are tweaking it to your personal liking. Coming up with that slant "feels like a cheat" is just silly on your end. I see if they were to add the same thing that we could do today, that is then ok with you. M-kay.

4. Well I would think it wouldn't be that much work and doubt it would delay much. That said if it did, then don't be so stingy and just do it yourself, now.

I hear yah, but it sounds like you'll sit there, stop, complain (a little) and not just do what you can right now to slow it down to continue on. Sounds like my 14 year old a bit. Sorries.

I did state that these were my just my feelings based on my personailty and prefernces. I certainly don't prefer to moan - I just like to bring up a suggestion if I have a valid one.

I'm sure others do want the combat made easier. I don't and it isn't relevant to what I'm talking about here - thats a whole other discussion.

I personally would rather stop playing and wait to see if they change anything before 'cheating' (in my words). I don't need the instant gratification, much as I adore the game - I'd rather play it properly - I'm an old fashioned I guess and nothing wrong with that. It affects noone but me. If I have to mod I will - I am well aware of it, but I don't mind waiting for a bit - I have other things to play. I simply don't like using cheats/hacks/Action Replay carts or anything else. Thats just me. Plus I have heard that using the console for this can cause bugs (devs words), which I don't want.

Even if I do 'do it myself' and solve things (kinda) for me, that wouldn't change my opinion - given how many poeple posting are having similar problems, I suspect there are plenty of others out there having issues that may not know how to do that, want to do that or more likely never visit forums (TBH I don't blame them in the slightest) that a setting in-game would make simple and clear for all, just like the monster one. And no skin off the nose of those who don't need it. Plus as my thread on this has found (thanks to a helpful player doing some semi scientific tests in deiifernt rezes/screen modes etc), one aspect of the timing issue could actually be a bug which if I hadn't 'moaned' we may never have found out.

I only mention about changes delaying other content as that seems to be major reason that people are flaming those who make game change suggestions. I was trying to reduce my chance of getting attacked. /sigh

I'm sorry if you think all this makes me sound like a 14 year old (actually I suspect most of those would have either finished this in record time or hacked it to bits by now). I only mod AFTER i've finished a game unless, as I've said, it bugs out badly and I don't consider this to be that situation. Yet. My opinion could change as I get twitchy fingers and want to play in the coming days.


There have been plenty of polite answers saying what you have said in a friendly way and without the insults. Manners cost nothing. You generally have to type less so it saves time too. I am way, way beyond being interested any more in what anyone (and there are way to many on this forum) who answers by picking at me personally has to say.

I am close to being another who never returns to these forums - I'm sure there are plenty who will be delighted when you can all just sit here going 'marvellous game', 'yes it is isn't it' - or will they be bored when there is noone to bully?

[Pipsissiwa]

Log needs a extra systems requirement.
Must have lightening fast reactions.

So very true! I'm still in level 5 and the "chamber of pits & secret" is still driving me nuts...
It's the same with the "Deserted Tunnel Entrance"
I'm just not quick enough anymore...

(

Yeah I'm stuck in the exact same place. Every time I load the game now I see it, try for a bit and think, I really can't be bothered, life is to short, quit and play something else. Yet I adore the game - hence my frustration. Having to resort to the console seems crazy - surely it shouldn't be like that for so many players? I doubt AH intended for so many people to have to do that or want to give up.

Several friends were going to buy this and now aren't after trying this puzzle - so some lost sales there. Maybe thats why theres no demo LOL (jk).

[krayzkrok]

This is actually a far more serious issue than some of the flippant responses here imply. Face it, we're all getting older, and there will be an increasing number of older people who have been gamers for their entire lives in the very near future. Like it or not, your reactions will slow down, your coordination will deteriorate, and your eyesight will get worse. Should you suck it up and face the fact that games are for younger folks? No, I don't think so. All it takes is for devs to put a little bit of effort into accommodating elderly gamers. The option to slow things down a little. The option to increase the font size of text. Simple things, but things that can make a difference, especially for games like this which are cherished by those of us who remember the classics from the 80s.

This is a personal issue for me as well, because my father is disabled. He's been playing computer games for as long as I have, he has about 8 level 80 characters in WoW, he's played just about every RPG you can think of, and he's nearly 67 years old. But he's diabetic. His eyesight is going, his fingers aren't as precise as they once were, and he can't react as quickly as he'd like, but he absolutely loves playing games. He wishes more devs could spend a little time on making his gaming life a bit easier.

Of course I'm not blaming Almost Human for making a tough game that requires manual dexterity, I'm saying it's an issue that I hope more devs consider as the gaming population gets older. As for Grimrock, I'd love to see a little "Old Fart" checkbox that slowed the game timing down a bit more, made the text a bit bigger, and maybe made the darkness a little less dark. After all, old farts may be old but they're often a lot richer than you young whippersnappers! Support them, and they'll support you back.

[Pipsissiwa]

This is actually a far more serious issue than some of the flippant responses here imply. Face it, we're all getting older, and there will be an increasing number of older people who have been gamers for their entire lives in the very near future. Like it or not, your reactions will slow down, your coordination will deteriorate, and your eyesight will get worse. Should you suck it up and face the fact that games are for younger folks? No, I don't think so. All it takes is for devs to put a little bit of effort into accommodating elderly gamers. The option to slow things down a little. The option to increase the font size of text. Simple things, but things that can make a difference, especially for games like this which are cherished by those of us who remember the classics from the 80s.

This is a personal issue for me as well, because my father is disabled. He's been playing computer games for as long as I have, he has about 8 level 80 characters in WoW, he's played just about every RPG you can think of, and he's nearly 67 years old. But he's diabetic. His eyesight is going, his fingers aren't as precise as they once were, and he can't react as quickly as he'd like, but he absolutely loves playing games. He wishes more devs could spend a little time on making his gaming life a bit easier.

Of course I'm not blaming Almost Human for making a tough game that requires manual dexterity, I'm saying it's an issue that I hope more devs consider as the gaming population gets older. As for Grimrock, I'd love to see a little "Old Fart" checkbox that slowed the game timing down a bit more, made the text a bit bigger, and maybe made the darkness a little less dark. After all, old farts may be old but they're often a lot richer than you young whippersnappers! Support them, and they'll support you back.

+1

[Horrorscope]

Yes you sound like a 14 year old, you are asking them to make a change on something "YOU can do now". Stubborn to the point you will wait on something you don't even know will be coming. Wow. Your opinion or not, that is my opinion of your opinion. I just find it odd you refuse to do it, call it a cheat doing so, but if they made it an option it's not a cheat. It's a single player game, who cares, make it how you want or need it.