With regret

[seebs]

Then

you are expected to have at least basic control skills to play it. If you don't have those, you must be suffering in many other game genres.

Is wrong.

It's not wrong, rather very practical.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "oh, well, this isn't other games" when people compare this to other games, but then insist that if they are bad at this they must be bad at other games. Pick one. Either this has basically comparable qualities, and ability in other games is a relevant thing to consider, or it's not, in which case the "you must be suffering in many other game genres" claim is false.

[Horrorscope]

To the middle aged gamer, good news. My father is 69, playing well in this game stock. He played Kingdom of Amular, a fast paced rpg, he used a hack to make it even faster! The good news is we don't seem to loose it as much as one may think. Hell Glenn Tipton can still shred like a mofo for Judas Priest in his 60's.

Not that anyone is taking it this far, but reading this I start to visualize the local yocal in their wheelchair going to every shop in town, making sure they have a ramp, making sure the isles are at least 38" wide etc and if not, he heads to city hall.

Yes to anyone with an issue use the console or something else to simply slow the game timer down. At 70% it's a whole different game.

[mike30542]

Let me explain myself - the only reason I'm being in opposition here is because I wouldn't want the devs of this gem to be sidetracked from possibly making DLC content and fixing current specific existing issues in favor of catering to a very slim crowd that has issues with how such a game is controlled. If there is an option to decrease the game speed by modding a config (which is the most simple way to make it easier for you aside coding turn-based combat and changing the puzzles), by all means I wish it helps you. I understand that a game being easy or hard is entirely subjective, but with my gaming history and in comparison with other titles and in fact other old dungeons, I just can't see the difficulty. For you, it may be the controls, I got that - but that doesn't make the game itself any harder than it is.

What the developers decide to do next is entirely up to them. I gave them feedback on my difficulties (they have asked for feedback) as have many others. And others have told them to change nothing. I know they read these forums because Petri posted a reply to my original post. They obviously care about their game & about the players. Whatever they do is fine with me. If they don't make any changes to difficulty - so be it. If they release new content it may or may not extend the time I can enjoy the game. Whatever they do I wish them well. I'm sure they will reap rewards and hopefully receive awards.

[seebs]

What the developers decide to do next is entirely up to them. I gave them feedback on my difficulties (they have asked for feedback) as have many others. And others have told them to change nothing. I know they read these forums because Petri posted a reply to my original post. They obviously care about their game & about the players. Whatever they do is fine with me. If they don't make any changes to difficulty - so be it. If they release new content it may or may not extend the time I can enjoy the game. Whatever they do I wish them well. I'm sure they will reap rewards and hopefully receive awards.

Yeah. I personally think your feedback seems really useful. I would love to see an option for making things a little more forgiving, but heck, the mod community can provide that if all else fails.

[mystrdat]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "oh, well, this isn't other games" when people compare this to other games, but then insist that if they are bad at this they must be bad at other games. Pick one. Either this has basically comparable qualities, and ability in other games is a relevant thing to consider, or it's not, in which case the "you must be suffering in many other game genres" claim is false.

This is completely stripped of logic, I've said enough on the topic already and don't intend to continue a discussion which holds no coherence.

[seebs]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "oh, well, this isn't other games" when people compare this to other games, but then insist that if they are bad at this they must be bad at other games. Pick one. Either this has basically comparable qualities, and ability in other games is a relevant thing to consider, or it's not, in which case the "you must be suffering in many other game genres" claim is false.

This is completely stripped of logic, I've said enough on the topic already and don't intend to continue a discussion which holds no coherence.

Well, if you want to make arguments which aren't mutually exclusive, you're welcome to pick one and try to assert it. As is, you've got two claims on the table such that if one of them is both true and relevant, the other isn't.

I'm taking the point about nerve conduction velocity as conceded, though.

[Neil79]

The only thing that royaly **** me off was the puzzles some of them I nearly gave up on the entire game it was only because of walkthroughs that I went through!

[mk.2]

I've heard that LoG added mouse control for people with disability, but the puzzle on Level 6 makes me wonder how a person who can only use mouse solve that. Even with 2 hands, it still took me >50 tries to eventually solve it. This game really require a quick finger reflex even on easy mode (possibly because difficultly level only apply to monsters not puzzles).

[Disasterrific]

Does the OP realize that character death isn't permanent?

[Hariolor]

It is with great regret that I may have to stop playing LoG.
I've been playing in normal mode & have managed to reach the end of level 3 by luring the mob/mobs to a door/gate I can close & going toe to toe until one is dead then close the door/heal up/open door - rinse & repeat. I know this is not the way it should be done but my reflexes are such that I just cannot get to grips with the "dance around mobs" combat style. I enjoyed solving the puzzles although the timed ones gave me real problems (manual dexterity) & I was only able to complete them by repeated tries (in itself not unexpected or unreasonable) & by following the advice from forums on exactly what was required for the moving teleporter one. I eventually gave up on the 2 trap puzzle even though I worked out what it was I needed to do. Every time I got to the second pit in time (I thought) to be able to push the button(and did so), the trap opened & it was time to reload.
And so I kill all the spiders (eventually) & reach the stairs to level 4. Save the game & descend. Take 2 paces forward (no other option available) & step on the plate. Door shuts behind me & 2 mushrooms appear one or both casts poison cloud . I cannot see where it's safe to step & almost immediately one or more of my party is dead. Load save game & try again repeatedly but same result. For me the game has come to dead stop.
I start a new game with a different party but I now know the answers to the puzzles so no great satisfaction in solving them again. Halfway through level 2 & I'm thinking if I persevere & kill all those spiders again I'll be stuck in exactly the same place. Will I then create another party & play levels 1-3 again? I suspect not.
OK I had fun playing up to now & with the cheap price AH charged I don't feel ripped off. In no way are AH at fault for the game not being suited to me (the game they released is after all the one they designed) but I am disappointed because I was so looking forward to playing it. If there were options other than being able to select combat to easy/normal/hard I might be able to adapt my inadequate combat skills but, unless there was a turn-based option, I suspect not.
Maybe the modders will create something which will let me proceed further. I can only hope.

I am a veteran of EoB, DM, CSB, etc - and this room gave me fits at first. Took easily 5+ tries on normal difficulty to get past those two herders. Lots of quick stepping and situational awareness was needed, as well as really really focusing on killing one as quickly as possible...