EOB1 comparisons.

[Spathi]

I would say EOB is derived from a computer game called "Swords & Sorcery", both had "rotten food" and all the obvious grid style similarities. PSS made S&S in 1984-1985, it was playable, but too hard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Howard
Started writing books in 1926 which was the inspiration for the term "Swords & Sorcery".

The term S&S was coined in 1961

[Rob]

Yeah, Dungeonmaster built itself on that and Ultima. Though tracking geneology of videogames is futile, people tend to remember the ones that made things skip forwards and be popular, not the ones actually breaking the ground first.

[Spathi]

people tend to remember what they remember

I was just suggesting another influence on the game developer.

here's another, supposedly the first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_of_Daggorath

[Rob]

I did not get Dungeons of Daggorath until long after release, so I actually initially thought Dungeonmaster was before it. The more you know!

(None of this was any attack on you, btw, if you thought it was.)

[Spathi]

na just my OCD,

I actually never played DM. In Australia most people chose Commodore, but I went England's way and picked up a ZX81 then Speccy. I think for consumers it depends on what region you followed.

"Rotten Food" is a giveaway though.... although the buttons are from DM. I was not trying to say everything is derived from one source, quite the opposite.

Even if you follow it back to Robert E Howard, he would have copied and mixed a whole stack of mythology. Anyway, glad he made Conan, lol.

ah ha, read to another, never played it though, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Monster_Maze

[dazman76]

Dungeon Master begat EOB and all which followed... so the comparison of LOG to EOB is arguably meaningless. For the record.

Meaningless is a bit strong isn't it, even when preceded by arguably? As discussed here, DM wasn't even the first of it's kind - it was a large leap forwards - and EOTB definitely improved and added to the recipe in quite a few ways. Granted most were merely iterative improvements on existing features (such is the games industry, and others), but it'd be unfair to say that EOTB didn't bring anything new to the table For me, LoG is the best of both of those worlds - because it again improves on every aspect of the games, and adds a little of it's own flavour by being modern, and polishing rough edges.

Spathi's comment is very true though - we mostly remember the games that we were each fond of. I did play and enjoy DM, but EOTB 1 and 2 were the real gems for me. I replayed them far too many times, and I've decided to do the same again after I complete LoG I restarted with a better party based on recommendations given here, and I'm currently on Level 3, so some way to go yet. I've also download Return To Chaos, and I'll be running through DM, CSB, and DM2 before I hit EOTB1 heh.

Can you see what you've started AH? Well played lol

[marcuz99]

Well in the last levels, I would go as far as to say it reminded me of Captive 2 - Liberation.
But yes as someone else in the forum said, Grimrock is the love child of the whole genre: there's much from many old games you can find here.

[dazman76]

Captive 2 - Liberation.

OOooh I'd completely forgotten about Captive! I remember buying an Amiga Zone magazine that a demo on the front, and being instantly hooked. That's yet ANOTHER old crawler I'll have to replay now lol, damn you! (Actually thank you )

[Sabatasso]

Having only played EOB1 and a bit of 2 back in the day...

Dungeon Master begat EOB and all which followed... so the comparison of LOG to EOB is arguably meaningless. For the record.

Dungeon Master is not the first game of this genre. I played a very similar game on my http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki_100 machine back in 1985, I can not remember the name, though (EDIT: I think it was a indie remake of Dungeons of Daggorath). I also had several similar games, but not as advanced, on my C64 even before that.

Either way, LoG is near spitting image of both DM and EOB, where the buttons are placed and if it's D&D or not is irrelevant.

[Billick]

I mentioned this in another thread, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_of_Tarmin on the Intellivision was another early game in this style.